American History Thread



Like, I'm not seeking death but if it comes early, I'd prefer it being fighting MAGAs alongside a multiracial cohort.

One of the greatest scenes ever filmed


What really irks me about history in the context of American culture is the disdain that Americans have for it. We are more than any other nation impacted by histories across the globe, yet our population has an inherit disdain for it. I think it's obvious the reason for this is the original sin of slavery but still, wonder if we ever embrace the subject.

Nothing has been more miraculous and enlightening to me then going to business school with my indian cohorts who would name off 19th century American presidential policies as if it were an episode of succession. Here I was an overly educated American and I had Anuj telling me about William Henry Harrison's cabinet, I couldn't even pick him out of a lineup :lol:
 
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One of the greatest scenes ever filmed


What really irks me about history in the context of American culture is the disdain that Americans have for it. We are more than any other nation impacted by histories across the globe, yet our population has an inherit disdain for it. I think it's obvious the reason for this is the original sin of slavery but still, wonder if we ever embrace the subject.

Nothing has been more miraculous and enlightening to me then going to business school with my indian cohorts who would name off 19th century American presidential policies as if it were an episode of succession. Here I was an overly educated American and I had Anuj telling me about William Henry Harrison's cabinet, I couldn't even pick him out of a lineup :lol:

The thing that "trad" and/or Roman statue avy guys get wrong is how fragile they are about Western Civilization.

The power of Rome was its ability to integrate peoples from far beyond central Italy.

The US is an even grander version of that. I want to tell the white supremacists that there are Taiwanese immigrants who can recite Shakespeare, Beverly Hills Persians mimic British Tea Time, Black people get PhDs in divinity school and know the Bible by heart. Moreover, the Chinese elites know more Greek and Latin than most "America First" CHUDs ever will.

It's amazing how one can both believe that their culture is categorically superior but also have so little confidence in it.

But than again, Western Civilization is not a complex bundle of relatively good governance and individual rights born out of the necessity of small and medium European states locked in fierce competition; but rather, it's a highlight real of all of the cool stuff that white people did. And it's like, no Connor you did not build the Parthenon, you did not write Hamlet, you did not author the Bill of Rights. You're just a hater of people with more melanin than you and you try to clad your prejudices in marble and gold.


This guy is more American than any marble statue head ever will be.



Defying the state and purging it of bad laws is as Western as one can get.


Sure, the American project began as a group of neurodivergent English people with so much religious OCD that they crossed an Ocean. But we were just the first spark and America grows ever richer with each new group of arrivals.



BTW, this video is probably the best representation of all parts of the subnations within the US. It's far from perfect, there's much I could say about it but when fighting fascists, this is the messaging that you need.

 


He's so culturally competent among Black and White people. Dude was campaigning in Iowa and talked about jello molds and corn. Bro is somehow whiter than me.

osh kosh bosh osh kosh bosh hit the nail on the head, he's better than someone grown in a lab.


More deeply, the fact that a legit revolutionary and community organizer submitted to the big banks is not an indictment of Barack Obama, the man, but an indictment against the entire system.

BTW Obamacare was a gamechanger. It's not Universal Healthcare but it's got more American covered than ever. The Medicaid expansion helped many poor folks eventually become net tax payers (healthy workers are better workers) and his market place let many people leave a job where their human capital was being wasted, to go independent and enrich the country as a whole as solo entrepreneurs. Being young and in perfect health and having rich parents should not be a prerequisite for hanging a shingle and starting your own firm. Genuinely, thank you President Obama for that.
 
the Society of Cincinnati

I googled it, I'd be eligible through some of my male relatives on my mother's line. I may join, I do like historical preservation and such.

She and her mother and her mother before her and so on are or have been members of the Daughters of the American Revolution since it was founded in the late 19th century.




I am genuinely surprised that this story was never told by my undergrad, mostly libertarian econ professors nor the libertarian blogs I read during undergrad.
 



Unusual for the Western Hemisphere but what is now the LA suburbs and the Southern Half of the Central Coast of California, has probably been home to to the same ethno-liguistic group from about 8,000 BCE until today. The Chumash neither conquered nor were conquered prior to the 18th century.

They basically just lived in and around the Santa Barbara Channel and spent millennia harvesting resources from California Oaks, tuning unruly woodland into hunting parks which contemporary English nobles would have marveled at, and had social changes largely driven by climate change.

According to Chumash mythology, their original homeland, the Northern California Chanel Islands, got over crowded so the Gods granted many people safe passage to the mainland. The path was a rainbow and those who lacked faith and who looked down while crossing fell into the sea and became dolphins. The word for human and dolphin are quite similar in Chumash and they suggest at a shared story among all Mediterranean climate peoples. There's both a massive surplus and people fighting over it so the high minded people ponder what it means to be human and as a result the Chumash saw dolphins as their wayward brethren, which is not unique to the waters of Southern California.
 
It's always interesting to learn something new about the evolution of Protestantism in the United States, especially because of how much religion weighs on our politics (past and present):



Probably one of History's double edged swords.

Radical protestantism has give us both Mega churches and socialism.

IMO, a lot of it has to do with the material roots. If you are a slave owner, the exploitation and brutality of fellow fellow humans, within a few hundred yards of your beautiful study and cellar of fine French wines; that requires you to bend and meld your "personal relationship with Christ (and by extension, God himself), into a justofication for slavery and one can cherry pick from the Bible justifications for slavery.

Meanwhile, the New Englanders, who benefited from slavery but who were physically removed from it, could claim moral superiority. Not only would Christ/God approve of their frequent rituals of mutual consent and public acceptance of outcasts; but so would John Calvin.

They were indeed religious nuts but ultimately for the right reasons. In the 17th century they'd buy a few enslaved people as servants. By the 18th century, that practice was largely shunned by fellow New England Puritans. In the first half of the 19th Century, we had young men, especially men with "higher" education, forming militias, called the Wide Awakes. Most of these Northern young men had never even seen a Black person, but they were willing to fight and die for them.

Certain Protestant denominations abhor all forms of captivity, let alone coerced labor. For my vanguardist ancestors, the mission was clear: eliminate all slave holders and the institutions that come with them. For about 1/6 of the Union Army were New England abolitionists and a lot OG anti nobility German, whom had been been defeat during the 1848 uprising in Europe and who had immigrated to the US. (interestingly enough Marx and Engels were a hair's breadth away from immigrating to Texas, at which point History changes drastically. Imagine Marx a professor at UT and Engels as an owner of beer halls and cattle herds in Southern Texas. Who knows, maybe it would have helped communism take over the US in 1919, after all it's not some foreign, Slavic, Russian import, it's just good ole' home grown Texas common sense).


When I ever seen New England and West Coast people, say, no matter how enlightened they are, I almost always that s say that if you had been born in South Carolina circa 1800, they'd be be pro slavery. It pisses them off to no end. But it's true.
 


The whole scene from marching up to the Fort Wagner beach, until those cannons at the end, is my favorite movie scene of all-time. This movie had me so obsessed with the CW after school and I had so many books and guides. Top 5 movie for me. I actually still do cardio sessions with the soundtrack on in the back. James Horner did his thing on that :pimp:
 
The whole scene from marching up to the Fort Wagner beach, until those cannons at the end, is my favorite movie scene of all-time. This movie had me so obsessed with the CW after school and I had so many books and guides. Top 5 movie for me. I actually still do cardio sessions with the soundtrack on in the back. James Horner did his thing on that :pimp:

The Civil War captures the imagination of Americans more than any other war. Sure the War of American Independence was pivotal as was WWII.

But, I think that the Civil War was truly our American epic. And by epic, I mean a grand, high stakes struggle that gives us our identity. The CW was our Beowulf, our Bhagavad Gita, our Illiad, or Book of Exodus. But the difference is that the CW was completely real and well documented.

It's chock full of stories of daring do and it also serves as jumping off point for analyzing our social, political, economic, and spiritual character. There's also the aspect of there being the last little vestiges of chivalry. Men of great wealth and education, led armies into battle like the medieval kings of old. And then on top of that, it was to liberate their fellow man.

The Confederates thought that Northerners, especially Northern men of letters were soft and unable to fight. They certainly saw Black people as incapable. The 54th Massachusetts firmly quashed that notion.


I too love the Fort Wagner scene and Glory overall. But while Glory is a more accurate depiction of the CW, my favorite individual scenes from CW movies are from Joshua Chamberlain in Gettysburg.


A liberal arts professor uses his oratory to bolster his regiment's ranks.




And later, he has to hold the extreme left of the Union line and if he fails, the confederates win the battle and maybe win the war.

Him and his regiment were low on ammo and the liberal arts professor had to think of his feet, and he orders a bayonet charge and saves the Union. You can't get more clutch than that.

 
Gettysburg was just as great, I agree. And I clearly remember watching it as a mini-series on TNT. I just looked it up and saw it actually had a small theatrical run, which is crazy to be in a theater all day:lol I also just saw there was a prequel movie, Gods and Generals, so I think it's time to revisit these films since there's not much else on tv currently, for me.
 
Gettysburg was just as great, I agree. And I clearly remember watching it as a mini-series on TNT. I just looked it up and saw it actually had a small theatrical run, which is crazy to be in a theater all day:lol I also just saw there was a prequel movie, Gods and Generals, so I think it's time to revisit these films since there's not much else on tv currently, for me.

The issue with Gettysburg is that you have to look past the little bit of confederate apologia. You have to turn your brain off for what the southern soldiers were fighting for and appreciate the movie for what it is, a series of moral dilemmas. You have to fight your former classmate, your brother in arms, and you best friend in a brutal battle.

Something I love about Gettysburg, was the fictional British character who chats with General Longstreet and they discuss the English Civil War some 200 years ago. I like it because the English Civil War, The American War of Independence, and the American Civil War should be seen holistically. It was a trilogy of how in the 1500's Tudor England was a minor regional power and by 1900, the World is dominated by what is essentially a giant Anglo Empire (with America being the Western Half and Britain being the Eastern half, basically like the Roman Empire in the 4th Century). those three wars were the forge that made that empire. Thrice did the more advanced form of capitalism fight the old order and thrice did the more advanced capitalists prevail and thus strengthened the anglo empire.

Gettysburg wasn't just an American matter, it was a global matter.


I have not seen Gods and Generals in full, my understanding is that it adds more confederate apologia. But It's certainly not Birth of a Nation. And the film ultimately underscores that slavery was the cause of the war.
I've enjoyed these two scenes centered on the great man of letters-cum-warrior.


First, an oration about the basis of political power and how it is derived from coercion




Then there's just a beautiful translation of a classical Latin text.

 

William Walker (May 8, 1824 – September 12, 1860) was an American physician, lawyer, journalist, and mercenary. In the era of the expansion of the United States, driven by the doctrine of "manifest destiny", Walker organized unauthorized military expeditions into Mexico and Central America with the intention of establishing colonies. Such an enterprise was known at the time as "filibustering".

After settling in California, motivated by an earlier filibustering project of Gaston de Raousset-Boulbon, Walker attempted in 1853–54 to take Baja California and Sonora. He declared those territories to be an independent Republic of Sonora, but he was soon driven back to California by the Mexican forces. Walker then went to Nicaragua in 1855 as leader of a mercenary army employed by the Nicaraguan Democratic Party in its civil war against the Legitimists. He took control of the Nicaraguan government and in July 1856 set himself up as the country's president.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)#cite_note-mined-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>

Walker's regime was recognized as the legitimate government of Nicaragua by US President Franklin Pierce, and it initially enjoyed the support of some important sectors within Nicaraguan society.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> However, Walker antagonized the powerful Wall Street tycoon Cornelius Vanderbilt by expropriating Vanderbilt's Accessory Transit Company, which operated one of the main routes for the transport of passengers going from New York City to San Francisco. The British Empire saw Walker as a threat to its interests in the possible construction of a Nicaragua Canal. As ruler of Nicaragua, Walker re-legalized slavery, although this measure was never enforced, and threatened the independence of neighboring Central American republics. A military coalition led by Costa Rica defeated Walker and forced him to resign the presidency of Nicaragua on May 1, 1857.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(filibuster)#cite_note-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>

Walker tried to re-launch his filibustering project and sought renewed support from pro-slavery forces in the Southern United States on the eve of the American Civil War. In 1860, he published a book titled The War in Nicaragua, which promoted his efforts to conquer Central America in order to expand slavery geographically. That year, he returned to Central America, where the Royal Navy arrested him and handed him to the government of Honduras, which executed him.
 
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