Seattle SuperSonics Thread



Thunder fans online are being really obnoxious about this. Technically, it became a shared history after five seasons, because the expectation was a team was coming back by 2012/13-ish. OKC ownership was supposed to even give Seattle, like, $50 million if they had an arena plan in place within five years. Seattle's government did everything Stern demanded, and nothing came of it. Then, Stern retired, died, and guess who still doesn't have a team?
 

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I made the mistake of tuning into KJR for a segment today. Holy hell, Seattle sports fans are insufferable. Every call and comment was about how Seattle doesn't need the Sonics, the NBA sucks, it's a terrible product, it "died" in 2008, etc. they were, like, "we have the Mariners now". You mean the baseball team that has been complete *** for all but about five seasons in their 50-year existence. All of these losers will be there Day 1 when the NBA comes back to town. There's an entire generation of kids who've never seen an NBA game in person, plus about 200K transplants who will definitely be interested in an NBA team in Seattle. You just won a Super Bowl and can't even appreciate the fact another sports team might be coming down the pipeline. Don't be content with what you have.

/rant
 
I made the mistake of tuning into KJR for a segment today. Holy hell, Seattle sports fans are insufferable. Every call and comment was about how Seattle doesn't need the Sonics, the NBA sucks, it's a terrible product, it "died" in 2008, etc. they were, like, "we have the Mariners now". You mean the baseball team that has been complete *** for all but about five seasons in their 50-year existence. All of these losers will be there Day 1 when the NBA comes back to town. There's an entire generation of kids who've never seen an NBA game in person, plus about 200K transplants who will definitely be interested in an NBA team in Seattle. You just won a Super Bowl and can't even appreciate the fact another sports team might be coming down the pipeline. Don't be content with what you have.

/rant

Hawkblogger has been on that too a little bit online

He's also a Blazers fan so there's that
 
I don't live in Seattle anymore (or the US for that matter), so I have no read on what the sportsfan vibe is.
Had no idea there was that side of the fandom. Thought, generally, the city would want the team back.
Definitely wasn't a dig toward you, my guy. Just venting a little as someone that grew up in the southend, and knows the importance of hoops in this community, but often see folks of a certain demographic that have ignorant takes..
 
Definitely wasn't a dig toward you, my guy. Just venting a little as someone that grew up in the southend, and knows the importance of hoops in this community, but often see folks of a certain demographic that have ignorant takes..
No, no... def didn't take it as a dig towards me (or anyone).
I'm just saying I don't have a read on the fans and what the general vibe in Seattle is.

I guess there's a completely new generation that didn't grow up with a proper home NBA team, so they might not have that attachment or desire for one. They literally don't know what they're missing.
 
No, no... def didn't take it as a dig towards me (or anyone).
I'm just saying I don't have a read on the fans and what the general vibe in Seattle is.

I guess there's a completely new generation that didn't grow up with a proper home NBA team, so they might not have that attachment or desire for one. They literally don't know what they're missing.
It's some older people too. There's definitely some cultural divides on how people view the NBA compared to say their love for football or even baseball up here
 

SEATTLE --The Seattle Kraken ownership group, led by Samantha Holloway, announced the creation of One Roof Sports and Entertainment on Monday.

One Roof Sports and Entertainment will serve as the umbrella brand of the organization to "oversee a growing portfolio of properties and fuel new opportunities."

Holloway also announced the group has entered an agreement to purchase additional equity in Climate Pledge Arena from Oak View Group, and will make the organization the majority owner of the building. OVG will retain a minority stake.

"We're committed to this community, and this parent brand brings together everything we've done, from a privately financed arena to the Seattle Kraken," Holloway said in a statement. "Increasing our ownership in Climate Pledge Arena allows us to consolidate operations and sets us up for future opportunities. OVG is an amazing partner, and I am pleased that they will continue to operate the facility for many years to come."

The transition of ownership of Climate Pledge Arena has been in the works for several months. The announcement also coincides with the upcoming NBA Board of Governors meeting in New York later this week.

The NBA's governors will vote on a plan to go forward with the next step of expansion -- which is expected to be focusing on talks with prospective ownership groups who want to bring teams to Las Vegas and Seattle. Washington Gov. Bob Ferguson said he met with NBA commissioner Adam Silver on Monday.

It has long been believed that those are the cities that will get teams if the NBA chooses to expand. Seattle has been clamoring for the NBA's return since the SuperSonics were relocated to Oklahoma City nearly 20 years ago.

"I had a productive Zoom meeting this afternoon with Commissioner Silver," Ferguson posted on social media. "It remains a top priority for me to bring back the Sonics."

 
I'll continue to hold my breath, but the Kraken thing is interesting. This would be similar to Ted Leonsis having a parent company owning multiple teams (Wiz, Caps, Mystics), Capitol One Arena, etc. Why would you do this if you weren't expecting a major development like expansion? Samantha Holloway's father was a diehard Sonics fan, and was involved with efforts to get a team back.
 
Ballmer should have just moved the lowly Clippers to Seattle years ago instead of building an arena that’s half-empty.

Nobody in LA gives a furry rats behind about the Clippers anyways and they would have been perfect up in Seattle and provided the 2nd expansion team elsewhere alongside Vegas.

Gremlin Adam Silver dropped the ball.
 
I'd been so focused on the Seattle element I really didn't care much about the Las Vegas team considerations.


I read that and then saw them talking about the Athletics, and then went looking around for what happened to the Oakland A's and learned they're not even the Oakland A's anymore (I haven't been following mlb at all CLEARLY) and that they are relocating to Vegas in 2028. And they have plans for a stadium and a complex.

So knowing that, the vote today feels powered by that as well, since it would mean Las Vegas has all 4 major sports, with MLB and NBA coming in 2028.
 

Seattle Mayor Katie Wilson and members of the Seattle City Council shared a joint resolution Tuesday to affirm Seattle’s “readiness” to bring back the Seattle SuperSonics, and affirm that Climate Pledge Arena is prepared to host the team’s return.

The resolution reflects a commitment from city leaders and builds on Seattle’s legacy as one of the premier sports and basketball cities, the Seattle mayor’s office announced.

“Seattle is ready to welcome the Sonics home,” Seattle Mayor Katie Wilson stated. “We never stopped being a basketball city, and the fans have never given up. You see it in our parks, in our schools, in packed gyms in every neighborhood, and our Seattle Storm championships. We built a world-class arena. We have a strong economy and a dedicated workforce. We are prepared, we are united, and we are ready for the next chapter of our Sonics.”
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“This week’s NBA vote is a pivotal moment for Seattle, years in the making,” Seattle City Councilmember Bob Kettle stated. “We’re a sports town, full stop. Our fans are fiercely dedicated to both men’s and women’s athletics. Now is the time to bridge the glaring gap in our sports landscape and bring the NBA back where it belongs! I can’t wait to see the SuperSonics return home to the heart of Queen Anne at Climate Pledge Arena.”

The resolution highlighted the “world-class” Climate Pledge Arena, a strong and growing economy, deep labor partnerships, and a deeply-rooted basketball culture translating from youth to professional athletics.

The resolution highlights various key factors that prove Seattle is uniquely positioned for NBA expansion, including:

Climate Pledge Arena as a state-of-the-art, 100% privately financed facility designed for NBA play.
A highly skilled workforce that built and operates the arena.
A robust and innovative economy capable of sustaining long-term franchise success.
A strong pipeline of basketball talent through youth, grassroots, high school, and collegiate programs.
Deep and enduring community support for the return of the Seattle SuperSonics.

Tuesday’s resolution puts Seattle in the driver’s seat to capitalize on the NBA’s potential expansion, and reaffirms the City’s commitment toward working with the NBA and its regional partners to return the SuperSonics to Seattle.

“This resolution is about more than bringing back a team. It is about restoring a piece of Seattle’s identity,” Seattle City Councilmember Rob Saka stated. “For decades, the Seattle SuperSonics were a source of pride, unity, and global recognition for our city. Today, we are making it clear that Seattle is ready: ready with a world-class facility in Climate Pledge Arena, ready with one of the strongest markets in the country, and ready to partner with the NBA to create a robust 32-team league.

“We have the fans, the history, and the infrastructure,” Saka continued. “What we’re affirming here is our commitment to work across city, county, and state lines to bring the Sonics home and ensure their long-term success. This is about honoring our history while building an even stronger future for Seattle sports and culture. I would like to thank Mayor Wilson and her staff for their collaboration on this resolution. Go Sonics!”

The resolution’s goal is to make it clear that the city, arena, and community are all more than ready to welcome home its beloved NBA franchise. Saka will bring the resolution for discussion at the next meeting with the Council’s Transportation, Waterfront, and Seattle Center Committee on April 2.
 

Excerpt from the article:

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said during his news conference at All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles in February that owners would formally discuss expansion at the March Board of Governors meeting. While he said the league wouldn’t formally approve expansion bids at the March meeting, “we will likely come out of those meetings ready, prepared to take a next step in terms of potentially talking to interested parties.”

Silver, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions among ownership, has privately told NBA governors that he expects expansion fees to run between $7 billion and $10 billion. Two senior NBA team officials told The Athletic they believe the minimum expansion fee will likely be $8 billion per city.

“In my mind, there’s no question it’s going to be eight (billion), and nine (billion) to 10 (billion) is certainly doable,” one executive said.

The vetting process will determine who can carry such a financial load — and have enough to then successfully run an expansion team — in each city.

Seattle, which lost the SuperSonics to Oklahoma City in a 2008 relocation, has long been a frontrunner among many current team governors when and if the league decided to again expand, something last done in 2004, when the NBA approved a new franchise for the city of Charlotte to replace the one that relocated to New Orleans in 2002.

Las Vegas has emerged in recent years as a strong candidate, based both on its history as a year-round, revenue-producing city through tourism and legal gambling, and on its successful launch of multiple pro sports franchises in the last decade. The NFL’s Raiders relocated to Vegas in 2020 from Oakland; the WNBA’s Aces moved there from San Antonio in 2018, and the NHL awarded Vegas an expansion team, the Golden Knights, who began playing there in 2017.

In addition, Major League Baseball has approved the move of the Athletics from Oakland to Vegas, with the team expected to begin play there in 2028 after three interim seasons in Sacramento, while a new stadium in Vegas is completed.

While there is still at least some sentiment among some teams to relocate existing teams to Seattle and/or Vegas rather than giving both expansion teams, it’s more likely at this point that expansion will go forward — provided there are buyers in each city that can handle the massive cost of buying into the club.

“I don’t believe there are any red flags for those two cities at this point,” another high-ranking team official said this week, noting that an update is likely at the BOG’s next scheduled meeting, to take place in July during the NBA’s Summer League — which also has become a major event for the league since moving to Vegas in 2004.

At issue is giving two new teams a share of the lucrative new 11-year, $77 billion media rights deals the league reached last year with NBC/Peacock, Amazon and ESPN/ABC. Those revenues are divided equally among the current 30 teams. Adding two expansion teams would dilute each team’s share. Some governors had previously expressed reluctance to include two more teams that would get in on the action, but there is history of the NBA delaying new teams a full share of TV money.

When the ABA and NBA merged in 1976, the four ABA teams absorbed into the NBA – San Antonio, Indiana, Denver and New York (now Brooklyn) – did not receive any national TV money during their first three seasons in the NBA.

And the sale of the league’s two most storied franchises last year — the Lakers, at a $10 billion valuation to a group led by Mark Walter, and the Celtics, at a $6.1 billion valuation, to a group led by Bill Chisholm — gave owners an indication of how strong the lure of having an NBA franchise remains.

An executive from another team told The Athletic that their team’s preference is expansion rather than relocation, believing the two markets, especially Seattle, will bring increased revenues over the long haul that would negate any concern about the team getting 1/32 of future media rights revenues versus their current 1/30th share.

“This is definitely going forward,” the executive said.
 

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