The official ***TUPAC SHAKUR*** appreciation thread.

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Can’t believe there isn’t an official thread paying homage to the GOAT (that I’m aware of anyway). Discuss any and all things about the late, great 2Pac here. What is your favorite album of his? Favorite song(s)? Where were you when he passed and what was your initial reaction? Favorite film he starred in? Etc etc. For me, he was bigger than hip hop itself. He transcended the genre and is in that elite class of artists and songwriters that are universal to modern music.

Bumping this right now. Gotta be one of the greatest verses ever penned.

 
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I mean I'll always appreciate a 2pac thread but this is likely to get buried after a few days. The RAN thread sometimes has homages to random artists with folks having a discussion about them and/or posting their fav music vids/songs. Still I rise holds a special place for me as it released when I was just getting heavy into hip hop and really listening to albums front to back as a young teen. I'd have it as my 2nd favorite posthumous release after Makaveli. Disc got some many spins in my CD player during rides to school or walking to my buddies' places after class.

Secretz of War has one of my all time favorite hooks.
 
The 29th anniversary of 7 Day Theory is tomorrow. My favorite album ever. I’m gonna do a write up how it captures every essence of Pac better than any other album.

Still I Rise would easily be a classic if the album was in its full OG form. Though some of the songs are very close and are actually slightly improved. Like this MASTERPIECE right here 🤯:

 
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So, with today (or tomorrow rather) being the 29th anniversary of Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory, I want to reflect on why this swan song is the one that captures all sides of him more than any other of his albums.

The “best” Tupac album of all time is highly subjective, and it’s a topic that will probably never be settled by any sort of consensus.

But that’s not the focus for this writing. Rather, I’m going to examine how and why Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory is his most complete project, where everything that made him such a compelling artist is amplified and comes full circle here. The evolution and trajectory he was on from his debut in 1991 to this final work recorded in July/August of 1996 is in itself something to behold, but of all the album transitions, the one from All Eyez On Me to Killuminati is quite likely the most striking - especially taking into consideration the small amount of time between the two projects. The former was done to take Death Row records and Tupac himself to unprecedented commercial heights as far as mainstream rap music, at the time, was concerned. And it succeeded in spades.

But it was the latter that was to become the true artistic crown jewel of his catalog. Killuminati has every side of Tupac Shakur that made all his previous work commanding listens. “Hold Ya Head” features the introspective and thought provoking poet we saw on the Me Against The World album, and while he refers to “To Live and Die In LA” as California Love part 2, one could also see it as the west coast version of “Old School”.

“White Manz World” also has Me Against The World vibes on it akin to “Dear Mama” and “Can U Get Away”, but the tone is more political - lyrically and with the use of the Malcolm X speeches; akin to something off either 2Pacalypse Now or S4MN, but with far superior writing.

Indeed, Killuminati was also a political resurgence for Pac as evidenced by other tracks recorded in July and August 1996 - “As The World Turns”, “The Good Die Young”, “Lost Souls”, “Letter To The President”, etc.

And finally, “Toss It Up” has the bouncy and radio friendly feel of the All Eyez On Me single “How Do You Want”, as did two other songs that weren’t on the final album but were nevertheless recorded in the same sessions: “Friendz” and ”Killuminati” (placed on Still I Rise).

But while Killuminati captures every side its creator presented on previous albums, it also produces its own identity, which comes in the form of no less than two of his greatest compositions ever. The first is one of his most iconic songs ever, “Hail Mary”. There is nothing quite like this on any previous album in his catalog, either sonically or lyrically.

The other is a similar song in terms of sound, “Blasphemy”. This one is even more impressive lyrically as it’s quite literally a double entendre long track of comparing biblical times to modern day thug life. This track alone requires multiple listens to fully grasp it. The final verse is one of the best technically written verses ever in hip hop history. Again, there isn’t anything like this on any previous Shakur outing - this was completely new territory and along with the other compositions recorded during this time, evidence of a new creative renaissance (represented visually by the cover art as well).

“Me And My Girlfriend” is another extremely creative track, even if it’s subject matter doesn’t break new ground, its personification of a firearm is completely independent of previous similar compositions like OK’s “Stray Bullet” or Nas’s “I Gave You Power”. Then you have “Life Of An Outlaw”, one of the most explosive songs written about loyalty/camaraderie ever, over some of the wickedest guitar licks that define the “Killuminati aesthetic” - it was almost like a Death Row version of “Cradle To The Grave”, from the Thug Life album.

But it isn’t just in the songs themselves that make this Tupac’s most complete work.

It’s also in the sequence and arrangement. The album is heavy and extremely intense - in both its moments of violent rage (Bomb First, Against All Odds) and its poignancy (Krazy, White Manz World and even Just Like Daddy to some degree).

The first half of the album is the more violent angry side, with the second half being the more poignant and introspective side. The last two tracks, Hold Ya Head and Against All Odds, represent these polar opposites - the former an intellectual poet trying to find his way and the latter a general diving head first into a blood soaked warpath of revenge. “Probably be murdered for the *
**** I said, I bring the real, be a legend breathin’ or dead”. Full circle prophecy.

Two songs that didn’t make the cut, that I think would have been perfect, are “Watch Ya Mouth”, which could have easily been placed between “Toss It Up” and “To Live and Die In LA”; and “The Good Die Young” (later used on “Still I Rise”), as the closing track immediately after Against All Odds. All in all, Killuminati: the 7 Day Theory is like the Hamlet of hip-hop: Dark, tragic, poignant, and triumphant all at once. It captures Tupac, rather Makaveli, at his most complete and at his highest level of artistry/lyrical peak - from the opening bell chimes to the closing gunshots.
 
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We need to dispel the narrative that “All Eyez On Me” has too much “filler”.

Where did this absolutely vapid and nonsensical narrative come from anyways?

First of all, the term filler is entirely subjective. What you call or think of as filler is a banger to someone else. You may not like “Thug Passion” for example and call it filler, meanwhile, I’m on my 95664688753456th listen to the song. 🤣

NO ONE was touting this nonsense when the album came out or even years after. We were playing both tapes front to back everywhere - in our Walkman’s in class, in our rides, at parties…. This album does NOT have “filler”. “Whatz Ya Phone” is probably the closest thing to what could be called filler, and that’s only cause of the pointless phone sex conversation in the middle. That 777-9311 sample is perfection and Pac’s flow about his sexcapades is spot on.
 
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Pac’s sales haven’t been updated in AGES. I took it upon myself to research his streaming numbers, so I can get a rough estimate of what his albums and songs are up to. It’s tough to estimate because ofc accounting for physical sales that have accumulated, you can only make an educated guess based on the passage of time and how popular the album was/is.

Streaming has the following formulas to determine sales: for songs, 75 million streams is Gold, 150 million streams is Platinum.

For albums: it’s 750 million streams to reach Gold, 1.5 billion streams to reach Platinum.

So, I will provide the last certification and the year it was certified. To come to my estimates, I took the last certification and added on the sales equivalent of streams from Spotify, and then added my rough estimate for the additional physical copies scanned since the previous certification. Note that even though I’m only showing Spotify for streaming figures, I’m also including rough estimates from other platforms in my total estimate for the new likely numbers.

Here are my estimates for his albums based on the above criteria, figures are USA totals only:

1. 2Pacalypse Now - last certification: Gold as of 1995.

Current estimate: 2x Platinum. It’s likely the album has sold between 1-2 million physical units since this time, and it has 135 million streams on Spotify alone.

2. Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - last certification: Platinum as of 1995.

Current estimate: 3-4x platinum. This has likely sold 1-2 million physical units since its last certification over 30 years ago. On Spotify alone, it has about 712 million streams.

3. Thug Life V.1 - last certification: Gold as of 1995.

Current estimate: Platinum. A very underrated classic in his catalog. I couldn’t find streaming figures for it, but it’s beyond almost any shadow of a doubt sold at least another half million copies in the last 30 years.

4. Me Against The World - last certification: Double Platinum as of 1995.

Current estimate: 5-6x Platinum. This is one of his more popular and acclaimed albums, and it has a ton of back catalog physical sales that aren’t been accounted for 3 decades. On Spotify alone it has over 935 million streams.

5. All Eyez On Me - last certification: Diamond as of 2014.

Current estimate: 16x Platinum. Even the last certification didn’t account for at least 1-2 million back catalog physical sales, and it has 4 billion streams on Spotify alone. It’s the most streamed album - both cumulatively and average daily - from 1996. And not just among rap albums, but ALL albums from that year period. Likely one of the top 3 best selling rap albums ever.

6. Killuminati - last certification: 4x platinum as of 1998.

Current estimate: 6-7x Platinum. It has about 750 million streams on Spotify alone, and likely has sold at least another 2 million physical units since its last certification.

7. R U Still Down - last certification: 4x platinum as of 1997.

Current estimate: 6x Platinum. This was his fastest selling album out the gate, going 4x platinum in just a month! Even though it didn’t have the staying power of his previous couple albums, it has over 620 million streams on Spotify alone, and almost certainly has sold another 2 million units since 1997.

8. Still I Rise - last certification: Platinum as of 2000.

Current estimate: 2x Platinum. It doesn’t have a huge amount of streams but almost certainly has sold at least another million units since 1999.

9. Until the End of Time - last certification: 4x Platinum as of 2014.

Current estimate: 5x Platinum. It has 438 million streams on Spotify alone, and likely has sold more than half a million units since its last audit.

10. Better Dayz - last certification: 3x Platinum as of 2014.

Current estimate: 4x Platinum. Over 450 million streams on Spotify alone combined with at least another half million physical units make this likely 4x platinum.

11. Resurrection OST - last certification: Platinum as of 2003.

Current estimate: 2x Platinum. 250 million streams on Spotify alone, with nearly another full million physical copies scanned likely make this a multi-platinum album.

12. Loyal To The Game - last certification: Platinum as of 2005.

Current estimate: 2x Platinum. 1 million physical copies sold since the last certification is probable, along with the fact it has 520 million streams on Spotify alone.

13. Pac’s Life - last certification: not certified.

Current estimate: Gold. Most estimates had it at 500,000 copies sold many years ago. It sold 160K its first week, and has 160 million streams on Spotify alone. A poor selling album by Tupac standards but almost certainly is at least Gold.

14. Greatest Hits - last certification: Diamond as of 2011.

Current estimate: 17-18x Platinum. It has nearly 6 billion streams on Spotify alone, and combined with the fact it’s been on the Billboard 200 for nearly 600 weeks, this one has gone waaay up since 2011. In fact, it’s almost certainly the best selling rap album ever, and I predict it will likely be the first rap album to go Double Diamond.

I will do songs later.
 
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Here are my estimates now for where his songs stand at.

1. California Love - last certification: double Platinum as of 1996. Current prediction: Diamond (11-12x platinum). It has over 1 billion streams on Spotify alone and has likely sold an additional 2-3 million physical copies since 1996.

2. Ambitionz Az A Ridah - no certification. Current prediction: 7-8x platinum. It has 900 million streams on Spotify alone. Pretty insane for a song that wasn’t even a promotional single!

3. Hit Em Up - no certification (though it was the B-side of California Love in 1996). Current prediction: Diamond (10x platinum). It has almost 900 million streams on Spotify alone, and is the most streamed Tupac song on YouTube, and has the highest daily average on Spotify. The fact this song was banned from radio in 1996 had the opposite effect - it only made the impact greater.

4. All Eyez On Me - no certification. My current prediction: 6x platinum. Like Ambitionz, this wasn’t a promotional single but was a fan favorite from Book 2 of AEOM. It has over 785 million streams on Spotify alone.

5. Changes - no certification. Current prediction: 7x platinum. It has 667 million streams on Spotify alone.

6. Do For Love - last certification: Gold as of 1998. Current prediction: 5-6x platinum. It has about 460 million streams on Spotify alone, and likely has sold at least an additional 1 million physical units since 1998.

7. Hail Mary - no certification. Current prediction: 3x platinum. It has over 415 million streams on Spotify alone.

8. Dear Mama - last certification: 3x platinum as of 2021. Current prediction: 4x platinum. It has over 376 million streams on Spotify alone.

9. Keep Ya Head Up - last certification: platinum as of 2021. Current prediction: 3-4x platinum. It has over 366 million streams on Spotify alone.

10. 2 Of AmeriKaz Most Wanted - no certification. Current prediction: 3x platinum. It has over 338 million streams on Spotify alone.

11. Ghetto Gospel - no certification. Current prediction: 2-3x platinum. It has over 300 million streams on Spotify alone.

12. I Get Around - last certification: Platinum as of 2021. Current prediction: 2-3x platinum. It has over 280 million streams on Spotify alone.

13. How Do U Want - last certification: double platinum as of 1996. Current prediction: 6x platinum. It has over 260 million streams on Spotify alone.

14. Only God Can Judge Me - no certification. Current prediction: 2x platinum. Another AEOM song, never an official single, that it still having an impact today. It has over 235 million streams on Spotify alone.

15. Can’t C Me - no certification. Current prediction: 2x platinum. It has about 215 million streams on Spotify alone. Another very popular non-single from AEOM.

16. All About U - no certification. Current prediction: 2x platinum. It has over 179 million streams on Spotify alone.

17. So Many Tears - no certification. Current prediction: platinum for sure, but possibly 2x platinum accounting for other platforms. It has about 157 million streams on Spotify alone.

Life Goes On, Ratha Be Ya Ninja, Runnin’, To Live And Die in LA, I Ain’t Mad At Cha, Me Against The World, and Picture Me Rollin’ all have anywhere from 110-130 million streams on Spotify alone. None of them have a certification but it’s a safe bet that when you account for the other streaming platforms, all of these songs are almost certainly platinum+.
 
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The new Jeff Pearlman book is good. Don't read it if you're super insecure or protective about Pac. It digs deep into what type of kid he was prior to blowing up as a superstar. He was a quirky theater kid, not the street kid people associated him with. I feel like some have never understood that. I'm only halfway through; he just linked up with Leila Steinberg.
 
The new Jeff Pearlman book is good. Don't read it if you're super insecure or protective about Pac. It digs deep into what type of kid he was prior to blowing up as a superstar. He was a quirky theater kid, not the street kid people associated him with. I feel like some have never understood that. I'm only halfway through; he just linked up with Leila Steinberg.
There’s a lot of nonsense in it too though. EDI Mean recently had him on his YT Channel and called him out for some the incorrect things he said publicly as well as in the book.
 
There’s a lot of nonsense in it too though. EDI Mean recently had him on his YT Channel and called him out for some the incorrect things he said publicly as well as in the book.
I'll have to check it out. We're talking about 40 year old stories at this point. All of his stuff was sourced, some people may just remember stuff differently. Hard to say who is right or wrong. But the overall premise that Pac was a quirky feminine theater kid is pretty well backed up by any video or picture of him from that time period. That doesn't bother me at all, it's just an interesting aside when you look at his later lifestyle. Pac is my favorite musician all time by a large margin. It's weird to me that some men are so bothered by it that they argue he wasn't that and attack the writer for speaking the truth. Pac was not a street tough guy. That was all an act he later played. Much of his persona was an act; a character. He was an incredible story teller, just wasn't this macho tough guy that so many want to make him out to be and are bothered when confronted that he wasn't.
 
All of the people close to Pac, from the Outlawz to Shock G, to Mopreme contradict this though. People love to say Pac tried keep the Bishop role in real life. No. Pac was that way BEFORE the role in Juice. The role happened to be perfect for him to play for that very reason. He was already a target due to his Black Panther/militant background. But here’s the thing.

We forget that while Pac may have been a nice theater kid before the fame, lots of things, traumatic things, happened to him that changed him. That’s not an act. People don’t stay the same way forever. Especially not between their teenage years and their 20’s and beyond, and especially not with severe trauma involved.

Being racially profiled and getting beat up by the cops for J walking isn’t an act. Witnessing your mother strung out on crack to the point where you have to leave is not an act. Beating up the director to the film you wanted to star in over creative differences, that could have been an act but if PAC’s personality is anything to go by, I’m going to say it probably wasnt. Shooting two white cops to defend another black man IS an act - but not the one you think it is. It was a revolutionary act, based on his Panther background, and potentially saving another persons life. AND he beat the charge. I still remember me and my friends talking about this when it happened during lunch in high school. His “street cred” at that time reached mythological status, and that’s when people started calling him the realest rapper ever. Getting shot multiple times and being sent to prison for a crime you didn’t commit isn’t an act either, and in fact, his reaction to it, both on and off record, was quite reasonable compared to how many others would have reacted - myself included.

This whole narrative we hear now about him just putting on an act would have been considered nonsensical in 94’ well into the 2000’s if it were a thing back then, and it’s just as nonsensical today. His music was literally art imitating life. It was authentic to the point that he knew he would die young. None of it was an act my guy. It was real, all TOO real in fact. He was literally living what he rapped about. Even simple lines in his music, like “right before I die I’ll be cursing the law” became prophecy (indeed his last words were eff you to Chris Carroll who was the cop on the scene at the LV shooting). People just want to rewrite history without looking at the facts and context - most of them not being close enough to Pac personally and just want to spin their own agenda, or not being old enough to be outside at the time to know what was really going on.

Lastly, whenever I see someone calling Pac zesty when he was 17, I find it cringe tbh. Dude was 17 years old. That’s still legally a child.
 
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All of the people close to Pac, from the Outlawz to Shock G, to Mopreme contradict this though. People love to say Pac tried keep the Bishop role in real life. No. Pac was that way BEFORE the role in Juice. The role happened to be perfect for him to play for that very reason. He was already a target due to his Black Panther/militant background. But here’s the thing.

We forget that while Pac may have been a nice theater kid before the fame, lots of things, traumatic things, happened to him that changed him. That’s not an act. People don’t stay the same way forever. Especially not between their teenage years and their 20’s and beyond, and especially not with severe trauma involved.

Being racially profiled and getting beat up by the cops for J walking isn’t an act. Witnessing your mother strung out on crack to the point where you have to leave is not an act. Beating up the director to the film you wanted to star in over creative differences, that could have been an act but if PAC’s personality is anything to go by, I’m going to say it probably wasnt. Shooting two white cops to defend another black man IS an act - but not the one you think it is. It was a revolutionary act, based on his Panther background, and potentially saving another persons life. AND he beat the charge. I still remember me and my friends talking about this when it happened during lunch in high school. His “street cred” at that time reached mythological status, and that’s when people started calling him the realest rapper ever. Getting shot multiple times and being sent to prison for a crime you didn’t commit isn’t an act either, and in fact, his reaction to it, both on and off record, was quite reasonable compared to how many others would have reacted - myself included.

This whole narrative we hear now about him just putting on an act would have been considered nonsensical in 94’ well into the 2000’s if it were a thing back then, and it’s just as nonsensical today. His music was literally art imitating life. It was authentic to the point that he knew he would die young. None of it was an act my guy. It was real, all TOO real in fact. He was literally living what he rapped about. Even simple lines in his music, like “right before I die I’ll be cursing the law” became prophecy (indeed his last words were eff you to Chris Carroll who was the cop on the scene at the LV shooting). People just want to rewrite history without looking at the facts and context - most of them not being close enough to Pac personally and just want to spin their own agenda, or not being old enough to be outside at the time to know what was really going on.

Lastly, whenever I see someone calling Pac zesty when he was 17, I find it cringe tbh. Dude was 17 years old. That’s still legally a child.
You're the only using the term zesty itt.

Pac was a super complicated guy. He dealt with a lot of **** and saw a lot of things. But he wasn't a street gang kid that he later portrayed himself to be. He associated with gangs more after he got rich than he did when he was young and poor. His first few albums were much more "Pac" than the Death Row ones. A lot of that became a character.

You seem to be one of that's weird and protective about it though so I won't go back and forth with you on it.
 
You're the only using the term zesty itt.

Pac was a super complicated guy. He dealt with a lot of **** and saw a lot of things. But he wasn't a street gang kid that he later portrayed himself to be. He associated with gangs more after he got rich than he did when he was young and poor. His first few albums were much more "Pac" than the Death Row ones. A lot of that became a character.

You seem to be one of that's weird and protective about it though so I won't go back and forth with you on it.
I can see you didn’t read a word of my post other than the very end, which was least important part (and yes, I have seen people refer to him in his younger years as being “zesty” and other weird homophobic terms on other social media platforms).

He was shot FIVE times and sent to prison for a crime he didn’t commit. Ofc his Death Row albums were going to be different. Pac was always “Pac” whether it’s on his first two albums, MATW, or his time on Death Row.

I’m not weird or protective, I just stated some facts and context that are inconvenient to your FALSE narrative and that you have no refutation to; so dismissing what I said is your only option. You can’t debate me on this. So yea, best for you to save face and not attempt to debate me cause you’ll get wrecked, plain and simple.
 
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Shooting two off duty law enforcement officers for harassing an African American man and a family of black panthers is real enough for me.
No rapper today would even THINK OF doing this, let alone actually do it. They’d film it on their smart phones than walk away with their tail between their legs. Pac is the realest rapper ever, it’s not even close or debatable..
 
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I can see you didn’t read a word of my post other than the very end, which was least important part (and yes, I have seen people refer to him in his younger years as being “zesty” and other weird homophobic terms on other social media platforms).

He was shot FIVE times and sent to prison for a crime he didn’t commit. Ofc his Death Row albums were going to be different. Pac was always “Pac” whether it’s on his first two albums, MATW, or his time on Death Row.

I’m not weird or protective, I just stated some facts and context that are inconvenient to your FALSE narrative and that you have no refutation to; so dismissing what I said is your only option. You can’t debate me on this. So yea, best for you to save face and not attempt to debate me cause you’ll get wrecked, plain and simple.
I couldn't care less about his sexuality. In fact my issue is with the people that have attacked the writer for saying he was a quirky somewhat feminine theater kid. There's nothing wrong with that. That's who he was. Some people are troubled with their favorite artist coming up like that and want to make him out to be something he wasn't. Sure, he changed a lot as he matured and dealt with life. I do think some of the flamboyancy of his personality was playing a role but thats not to take away from his life experiences. Pac was a real guy that experienced a lot in 25 years. Pac was a thinker, a complicated but soft soul. He wasn't the gang affiliated guy that he portrayed at the end and thats what a lot of people remember him as.
 
Man, PAC’s catalog is literally his life story. 2Pacalypse Now and S4MN represent the exposition (context of who he was as a person and his upbringing), Me Against The World is the incident (recorded during the most traumatic and violent time in his life - court cases, shooting, rape charge etc), All Eyez On Me is the rising action (freed from prison, east-west rivalry escalates, he goes from being simply a rap star into a mega-icon selling an unprecedented amount of records in the rap world), Killuminati is the climax (most intense album and the absolute peak of his artistry, captures all essences of who he was more so than any previous album, made him mythological in death), and R U Still Down, although he didn’t have any creative input in its release, could be seen as the falling action and resolution of his story (the intro on disc one is almost like him talking from beyond the grave and tripping off his posthumous shine “I’m the king!!!”, with Only Fear of Death the last song on Disc 2 being closure).
 
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